MONICAGATE

Monica Lewinsky - Linda Tripp

I had held off doing a Monica page. I frankly don't think the President's sex life does matter, but lying under oath is an issue, as is obstruction of justice.

Certainly compared to Clinton's drug use Monica and Linda are small issues, but since this seems to be the means used by official Washington to eject the first nose, here are some of the relevent items.

Clinton wearing the tie Monica Lewinsky gave him.

Results of the DNA test on the blue dress(Yep, it's Bill).

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Click for movie of Clinton responding to his subpoena.

The "talking points"

This is a portion of the sheet of paper handed by Monica Lewinsky to Linda Tripp, with the statement,"This is what the President wats you to say." Note the comment about Linda showing her affidavit to Bennett before signing it.

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Click here Ken Starr's report on the Lewinsky affair.

Click here for RealAudio of Bill's admission of the "Inappropriate relationship".

Excerpt from Clinton's deposition.

               Q: Now, do you know a woman named Monica
               Lewinsky?
               A: I do.
 
               Q: How do you know her?

               A: She worked in the White House for a while,
               first as an intern, and then in, as the, in
               the legislative affairs office.
 
               Q: She began -- excuse me.

               A: So that's how I know her.

               Q: Excuse me for interrupting you, sir. Did
               she begin to work as an intern in the White
               House in the summer of 1995?

               A: I don't know when she started working at
               the White House.

               Q: Do you recall when you met her for the
               first time?

               A: It would be sometime, I'd think, in later
               1995.

               Q She began to work in the White House office
               of legislative affairs around December of
               1995, correct?

               A: I have no idea.

               Q: Do you know how she obtained that job?

               A: No.

               Q: Did you ever talk to anyone about finding a
               job for Monica Lewinsky?

               A: When she got the job in the legislative
               affairs office? No.

               Q: Before she got that job.

               A: No.

               Q: Did you ever talk to anyone about the
               possibility of her obtaining a job in the
               White House?

               A: She, she came there as an intern, and as
               several of them have, she applied for some job
               there apparently and got the job. I was not
               involved in her moving from being an intern to
               being a full-time employee. I had no
               involvement in it whatever.

               Q: And you never talked to anyone about that?

               A: No, I did not.

               Q: In April of 1996 she was offered and she
               accepted a job as assistant to the assistant
               secretary for public affairs at the U.S.
               Department of Defense; is that correct?

               A: I don't know when she went over there.

               Q: Is it correct that she did accept that job
               at some point?

               A: I don't know what her specific job was. I
               know that she moved over to the Department of
               Defense.

               Q: And worked at the Pentagon, correct?

               A: Well, she worked for the Department of
               Defense. I think that's where all their
               offices are in Washington.

               Q: Is it true that when she worked at the
               White House she met with you several times?

               A: I don't know about several times. There was
               a period when the, when the Republican
               Congress shut the government down that the
               whole White House was being run by interns,
               and she was assigned to work back in the Chief
               of Staff's office, and we were all working
               there, and so I saw her on two or, three
               occasions then, and then when she worked at
               the White House, I think there was one or two
               other times when she brought some documents to
               me.

               Q: Well, you also saw her at a number of
               social functions at the White House, didn't
               you?

               A: Could you be specific? I'm not sure. I mean
               when we had, when we had like big staff things
               for, if I had a, like in the summertime, if I
               had a birthday party and the whole White House
               staff came, then she must have been there. If
               we had a Christmas party and the whole White
               House staff was invited, she must have been
               there. I don't remember any specific social
               occasions at the White House, but people who
               work there when they're invited to these
               things normally come. It's a -- they work long
               hours, it's hard work, and it's one of the
               nice things about being able to work there, so
               I assume she was there, but I don't have any
               specific recollection of any social events.

               JUDGE WRIGHT: I want to interrupt because I
               want a break. I also wanted to ask about the
               luncheon break. We're not, we're not too far
               from twelve. I personally don't care when we
               take it, but has Skadden lawyers arranged for
               lunch to be brought up to us?

               MR. BENNETT: I've arranged for lunch, Your
               Honor. We can have it -- I don't know if it's
               there right now. We were thinking
               twelve-thirty, but whatever -

               JUDGE WRIGHT: That's great. That's perfect.

               MR. BENNETT: And we have a room set aside for
               you and your law clerk where you can eat
               privately, and we have a separate room for
               their side of the table, and our side.

               JUDGE WRIGHT: All right, let's take a ten
               minute break.

               (Short recess.)

               JUDGE WRIGHT: All right, Mr. Fisher, you may
               resume.

               MR. FISHER: Thank you, Your Honor.

               Q: Mr. President, before the break, we were
               talking about Monica Lewinsky. At any time
               were you and Monica Lewinsky together alone in
               the Oval Office?

               A: I don't recall, but as I said, when she
               worked at the legislative affairs office, they
               always had somebody there on the weekends. I
               typically worked some on the weekends.
               Sometimes they'd bring me things on the
               weekends. She - it seems to me she brought
               things to me once or twice on the weekends. In
               that case, whatever time she would be in
               there, drop it off, exchange a few words and
               go, she was there. I don't have any specific
               recollections of what the issues were, what
               was going on, but when the Congress is there,
               we're working all the time, and typically I
               would do some work on one of the days of the
               weekends in the afternoon.

               Q: So I understand, your testimony is that it
               was possible, then, that you were alone with
               her, but you have no specific recollection of
               that ever happening?

               A Yes. that's correct. It's possible that she,
               in, while she was working there, brought
               something to me and that at the time she
               brought it to me, she was the only person
               there. That's possible.

               Q: Did it ever happen that you and she went
               down the hallway from the Oval Office to the
               private kitchen?

               [Legal discussion]

               Q: Do you recall ever walking with Lewinsky
               down the hallway from the Oval Office to your
               private kitchen there in the White House?

               A: Well, let me try to describe the facts
               first, because you keep talking about this
               private kitchen. The private kitchen is
               staffed by two naval aides. They have total,
               unrestricted access to my dining room, to that
               hallway, to coming into the Oval Office. The
               people who are in the outer office of the Oval
               Office can also enter at any time.

               I was, after I went through a presidential
               campaign in which the far right tried to
               convince the American people I had committed
               murder, run drugs, slept in my mother's bed
               with four prostitutes, and done numerous other
               things, I had a high level of paranoia.

               There are no curtains on the Oval Office,
               there are no curtains on my private office,
               there are no curtains or blinds that can close
               the windows in my private dining room. The
               naval aides come and go at will. There is a
               peephole on the office that George
               Stephanopoulos first and then Rahm Emanuel
               occupied that looks back down that corridor.

               I have done everything I could to avoid the
               kind of questions you are asking me here
               today, so to talk about this kitchen as if it
               is a private kitchen, it's a little cubbyhole,
               and these guys keep the door open. They come
               and go at will. Now that's the factual
               background here.

               Now, to go back to your question, my
               recollection is that, that at some point
               during the government shutdown, when Ms.
               Lewinsky was still an intern but was working
               the chief staff's office because all the
               employees had to go home, that she was back
               there with a pizza that she brought to me and
               to others. I do not believe she was there
               alone, however. I don't think she was. And my
               recollection is that on a couple of occasions
               after that she was there but my secretary
               Betty Currie was there with her. She and Betty
               are friends. That's my, that's my
               recollection. And I have no other recollection
               of that.

               MR. FISHER: While I appreciate all of that
               information, for the record I'm going to
               object. It's nonresponsive as to the entire
               answer up to the point where the deponent,
               said, "Now back to your question."

               Q: At any time were you and Monica Lewinsky
               alone in the hallway between the Oval Office
               and this kitchen area?

               A: I don't believe so, unless we were walking
               back to the back dining room with the pizza I
               just, I don't remember. I don't believe we
               were alone in the hallway, no.

               Q: Are there doors at both ends of the
               hallway?

               A: They are, and they're always open.

               Q: At any time have you and Monica Lewinsky
               ever been alone together in any room in the
               White House?

               A: I think I testified to that earlier. I
               think that there is a, it is -- I have no
               specific recollection, but it seems to me that
               she was on duty on a couple of occasions
               working for the legislative affairs office and
               brought me some things to sign, something on
               the weekend. That's -- I have a general memory
               of that.

               Q: Do you remember anything that was said in
               any of those meetings?

               A: No. You know, we just have conversation, I
               don't remember.

               Q: How long has Betty Currie been your
               secretary?

               A: Since I've been President.

               Q: Did she also work with you in Arkansas?

               A: Not when I was Governor. She worked in the
               transition. She worked for Warren Christopher
               in the transition, and then she came to work
               for me.

               Q: How is her work schedule arranged? Does she
               have a certain shift that she works, or do you
               ask her to work certain hours the following
               day? Please explain how her schedule is
               determined.

               A: She works, she comes to work early in the
               morning and normally stays there until I leave
               at night. She works very long hours, and then
               when I come in on the weekend, or on Saturday,
               if I work on Saturday, she's there, and
               nominally if I'm, if I'm working on Sunday and
               I'm having a schedule of meetings, either she
               or [head of Oval Office operations] Nancy
               Hernreich will be there. One of them is always
               there on the weekend. Sometimes if I come over
               just with paperwork and work for a couple of
               hours, she's not there , but otherwise she's
               always there when I'm there.

               Q: Are there any other individuals who are
               specifically assigned to be your secretary?

               A: No, just Betty. Betty and Nancy Hernreich
               basically runs the outer office for me. They
               are my two major assistants, and of course,
               and there are a couple of other people who
               work with them, Janice Kearney who keeps my,
               in effect, diary now of what's going on, whose
               been -- she's been doing that maybe a A: I
               don't know.

               Q: Have you ever met with Monica Lewinsky in
               the White House between the hours of midnight
               and six a.m.?

               A: I certainly don't think so.

               Q: Have you ever met -

               A: Now, let me just say, when she was working
               there, during, there may have been a time when
               we were all -- we were up working late. There
               are lots of, on any given night, when the
               Congress is in session, there are always
               several people around until late in the night,
               but I don't have any memory of that. I just
               can't say that there could have been a time
               when that occurred, I just -- but I don't
               remember it.

               Q: Certainly if it happened, nothing
               remarkable would have occurred?

               A: No, nothing remarkable. I don't remember
               it.

               Q: It would be extraordinary, wouldn't it, for
               Betty Currie to be in the White House between
               midnight and six a.m., wouldn't it?

               A: I don't know what the facts were. I mean I
               don't know. She's an extraordinary woman.

               Q: Does that happen all the time sir, or
               rarely?

               A: Well, I don't know, because normally I'm
               not there between midnight and six, so I
               wouldn't know how many times she's there.
               Those are questions you'd have to ask her. I
               just can't say.

               Q: Has it ever happened that a White House
               record was created that showed that Monica
               Lewinsky was meeting with Betty Currie when in
               fact Monica Lewinsky was meeting with you?

               MR. BENNETT: No, Your Honor, I'm going to
               certainly let the President answer that, but I
               object to the form of the question because it
               assumes facts not in evidence, and I again
               question their good faith in this line of
               questioning.

               JUDGE WRIGHT: I overrule the objection. I will
               permit it. The nature of many of the responses
               has been he doesn't recall or he doesn't know,
               and so he has not outright denied it. This is
               discovery and I'll permit the question. Go
               ahead.

               A: Would you repeat the question?

               Q: Yes, sir. Has it ever happened that a White
               House record was created that reflected that
               Betty Currie was meeting with Monica Lewinsky
               when in fact you were meeting with Monica
               Lewinsky? A: Not to my knowledge.

               Q: Are there records created of your meetings
               with people in the White House?

               A: I believe we have a record of the people
               that, that see me. We have -- I think there's
               a record of everybody that comes in and out of
               the White House. Of course the people who work
               there and have permission mission to be there
               can come in and out and move in and out of the
               offices, and I don't know if there are records
               of all those meetings or not. For example
               there are several of my staff people I see
               many times a day, and I have no idea whether
               there's a record of every time I see those
               people.

               Q All right, sir, and I appreciate that, but
               just to be precise, I'm not just asking about
               records of everyone coming into the White
               House, but I'm asking specifically about
               records of meetings with you.

               A: The answer to that is I don't know. I mean
               I, Rahm Emanuel comes through that back door
               into the kitchen and the hallway you talked
               about three or four times a day, unannounced,
               unscheduled, sometimes at night, sometimes in
               the daytime. I have no idea if there's a
               record of every time he comes to see me. I
               have no idea if there's a record of every time
               John Podesta comes down the hall and sticks
               his head in and talks to me about something. I
               simply don't know. I don't know the answer to
               your question.

               Q: You suspect, don't you, that there are at
               least some meetings that you have for which
               there's no written record made, correct?

               A: I don't know the answer to that. They keep
               a pretty good record of everything I do, I
               think.

               Q: When was the last time you spoke with
               Monica Lewinsky?

               A: I'm trying to remember. Probably sometime
               before Christmas. She came by to see Betty
               sometime before Christmas. And she was there
               talking to her, and I stuck my head out, said
               hello to her.

               Q: Stuck your head out of the Oval Office?

               A: Uh-huh, Betty said she was coming by and
               talked to her, and I said hello to her.

               Q: Was that shortly before Christmas or -

               A: I'm sorry, I don't remember. Been sometime
               in December I think, and I believe -- that may
               not be the last time. I think she came to one
               of the, one of the Christmas parties.

               Q: Did she tell you she had been served with a
               subpoena in this case?

               A: No. I don't know if she had been.

               Q: Did anyone other than your attorneys ever
               tell you that Monica Lewinsky had been¥n
               served with a subpoena in this case?

               A: I don't think so.

               Q: Did you ever talk with Monica Lewinsky
               about the possibility that she might be asked
               to testify in this case?

               A: Bruce Lindsey, I think Bruce Lindsey told
               me that she was, I think maybe that's the
               first person told me she was. I want to be as
               accurate as I can.

               MR. BENNETT: Keep your voice up, Mr.
               President.

               THE WITNESS: okay.

               A: But he may not have. I don't have a
               specific memory, but I talked with him about
               the case on more than one occasion, so he
               might have said that.

               Q: Did he tell you that on the phone or in
               person?

               A: I don't know. I talk to him and see him
               several times a day, so I don't know. I would
               have no way of remembering that.

               Q: Did you talk to Mr. Lindsey about what
               action, if any, should be taken as a result of
               her being served with a subpoena?

               A: No.

               Q: I believe I was starting to ask you a
               question a moment ago and we got sidetracked.
               Have you ever talked to Monica Lewinsky about
               the possibility that she might be asked to
               testify in this lawsuit?

               A: I'm not sure, and let me tell you why I'm
               not sure. It seems to me the, the, the -- I
               want to be as accurate as I can here. Seems to
               me the last time she was there to see Betty
               before Christmas we were joking about how
               you-all, with the help of the Rutherford
               Institute, were going to call every woman I'd
               ever talked to and I said, you know -

               MR. BENNETT: We can't hear you, Mr. President.

               A: And I said that you-all might call every
               woman I ever talked to and ask them that, and
               so I said you would qualify, or something like
               that. I don't, I don't think we ever had more
               of a conversation than that about it, but I
               might have mentioned something to her about
               it, because when I saw how long the witness
               list was, or I heard about it, before I saw,
               but actually by the time I saw it her name was
               on it, but I think that was after all this had
               happened. I might have said something like
               that, so I don't want to say for sure I
               didn't, because I might have said something
               like that.

               Q: Was anyone else present when you said
               something like that?

               A: Betty, Betty was present, for sure.
               Somebody else might have been there, too, but
               I said that to a lot of people. I mean that
               was just something I said.

               Q: What, if anything, did Monica Lewinsky say
               in response?

               A: Nothing that I remember. Whatever she said,
               I don't remember. Probably just some
               predictable thing.

               Q: Recently you took a trip that included a
               visit to Bosnia, correct?

               A: That's correct.

               Q: While you were on that trip, did you talk
               to Monica Lewinsky?

               A: I don't believe she was on that trip.

               Q: Did you talk to her on the telephone?

               A: No.

               Q: While you were on that trip, did you ask
               anyone to talk to her?

               A: I don't believe so, no. Can you be more
               specific? I don't have any idea. I don't think
               so.

               Q: While you were on that trip, did you ask
               anyone to meet with her?

               A: Not to my knowledge.

               Q: Excluding conversations that you may have
               had with Mr. Bennett or any of your attorneys
               in this case, within the past two weeks has
               anyone reported to you that they had had a
               conversation with Monica Lewinsky concerning
               this lawsuit?

               A: I don't believe so. I'm sorry, 1 just don't
               believe so.

               Q: You know a man named Vernon Jordan?

               A: 1 know him well.

               Q: You've known him for a long time?

               A: A long time.

               Q: Has it ever been reported to you that he
               met with Monica Lewinsky and talked about this
               case?

               A: I knew that he met with her. I think Betty
               suggested that he meet with her. Anyway, he
               met with her. I thought that he talked to her
               about something else. I didn't know that -- I
               thought he had given her some advice about her
               move to New York. Seems like that's what Betty
               said.

               Q: So Betty, Betty Currie suggested that
               Vernon Jordan meet with Monica Lewinsky? A: I
               don't know that.

               Q: I thought you just said that. I'm sorry.

               A: No, I think, I think, I think Betty told me
               that Vernon talked to her, but I, my
               impression was that Vernon was talking to her
               about her moving to New York. I think that's
               what Betty said to me.

               Q: What do you know about her moving to New
               York?

               A: Just that.

               Q: Is she going to move to New York?

               A: I don't know. She may have already moved to
               New York. I don't know. My understanding was
               that her mother moved to New York and that she
               was going to move to New York and that she was
               looking for some advice about what she should
               do when she got there.

               Q: Is it your understanding that she was
               offered a job at the U.N.?

               A: I know that she interviewed for one. I
               don't know if she was offered one or not.

               Q: Have you ever talked to Bill Richardson
               about Monica Lewinsky?

               A: No.

               Q: What is his title?

               A: He's the Ambassador to the U.N.

               Q: Have you ever asked anyone to talk to Bill
               Richardson about Monica Lewinsky?

               A: I believe that, I believe that Monica, what
               I know about that is I believe Monica asked
               Betty Currie to ask someone to talk to him,
               and she, and she talked to him and went to an
               interview with him. That's what I believe
               happened.

               Q: And the source of that information is who?

               A: Betty. I think that's what Betty -- } think
               Betty did that. I think Monica talked to Betty
               about moving to New York, and I, my
               recollection is that that was the chain of
               events.

               Q: Did you say or do anything whatsoever to
               create a possibility of Monica Lewinsky
               getting a job at the U.N.?

               A: To my knowledge, no, although I must say I
               wouldn't have thought there was anything wrong
               with it. You know, she was a -- she had worked
               in the White House, she had worked in the
               Defense Department' and she was moving to New
               York. She was a friend of Betty. I certainly
               wouldn't have been opposed to it, based on
               anything I knew, anyway.

               Q: Well, have you ever given any gifts to
               Monica Lewinsky?

               A: I don't recall. Do you know what they were?

               Q: A hat pin?

               A: I don't, I don't remember. But I certainly,
               I could have.

               Q: A book about Walt Whitman?

               A: I give -- let me just say, I give people a
               lot of gifts, and when people are around I
               give a lot of things I have at the White House
               away, so I could have given her a gift, but I
               don't remember a specific gift.

               Q: Do you remember giving her a gold broach?

               A: No.

               Q: Do you remember giving her an item that had
               been purchased from The Black Dog store at
               Martha's Vineyard?

               A: I do remember that, because when I went on
               vacation, Betty said that, asked me if I was
               going to bring some stuff back from The Black
               Dog, and she said Monica loved, liked that
               stuff and would like to have a a piece of it,
               and I did a lot of Christmas shopping from The
               Black Dog, and I bought a lot of things for a
               lot of people, and I gave Betty a couple of
               the pieces, and she gave I think something to
               Monica and something to some of the other
               girls who worked in the office. I remember
               that because Betty mentioned it to me.

               Q: What in particular was given to Monica?

               A: I don't remember. I got a whole bag full of
               things that I bought at The Black Dog. I went
               there, they gave me some things, and I went
               and purchased a lot at heir store, and when I
               came back I gave a, a big block of it to
               Betty, and I don't know what she did with it
               all or who got what.

               Q: But while you were in the store you did
               pick out something for Monica, correct?

               A: While I was in the store -- first of all,
               The Black Dog sent me a selection of things.
               Then I went to the store and I bought some
               other things, t-shirts, sweatshirts, shirts.
               Then when I got back home, I took out a thing
               or two that I wanted to keep, and I took out a
               thing or two I wanted to give to some other
               people, and I gave the rest of it to Betty and
               she distributed it. That's what I remember
               doing.

               Q: Has Monica Lewinsky ever given you any
               gifts? A: Once or twice. I think she's given
               me a book or two.

               Q: Did she give you a silver cigar box?

               A: No.

               Q Did she give you a tie?

               A: Yes, she has given me a tie before. I
               believe that's right. Now, as I said, let me
               remind you, normally when I get these ties, I
               get ties, you know, together, and then they're
               given to me later, but I believe that she has
               given me a tie.

               Q: Well, Mr. President, it's my understanding
               that Monica Lewinsky has made statements to
               people, and I'd like for you -

               MR. BRISTOW: object, object to the form of the
               question. Counsel shouldn't testify, and when
               you start out like that, it's obviously
               counsel testifying. I don't think that's
               proper.

               MR. BENNETT: Let me add to that, Your Honor
               wouldn't permit me to make reference to this
               affidavit, and I respect your ruling.

               JUDGE WRIGHT: Let me, let me just make my
               ruling. It is not appropriate for Counsel to
               make comments about, about these things. I
               don't know whether he was trying to do this to
               establish a good faith basis for the next
               question or not, but it is inappropriate for
               counsel to comment, so I will sustain the
               objection.

               MR FISHER: I understand.

               Q: Did you have an extramarital sexual affair
               with Monica Lewinsky?

               A: No

               Q: If she told someone that she had a sexual
               affair with you beginning in November of 1995,
               would that be a lie?

               A: It's certainly not the truth. It would not
               be the truth.

               Q: I think I used the term "sexual affair."
               And so the record is completely clear, have
               you ever had sexual relationship with Monica
               Lewinsky, as that term is defined in
               Deposition Exhibit 1, as modified by the
               Court?

               MR. BENNETT: I object because I don't know
               that he can remember -

               JUDGE WRIGHT: Well, it's real short. He can -
               I will permit the question and you may show
               the witness definition number one.

               A: I have never had sexual relations with
               Monica Lewinsky. I've never had an affair with
               her.

               Q Have you ever had a conversation with Vernon
               Jordan in which Monica Lewinsky was mentioned?

               A: I have. He told me that he called -- he
               mentioned in passing to me that he had talked
               to her, and she had come to him for advice
               about moving to New York.

               Q: She had come to him for advice?

               A: Uh-huh. She'd come to him for advice about
               moving to New York);. She had called him and
               asked if she could come see him. and Betty I
               think had maybe said something to him about
               talking to her, and he had given her some
               advice about; moving to New York. That's all I
               know about that.

               Q: Where were you when you had this
               conversation with Vernon Jordan.

               A: I don't have any idea. I talk to Yernon
               Jordan a lot.

               Q: Do you recall whether it was as on the
               phone or in person?

               A: No.

               Q: What did he say that she had said to him in
               response?

               A: He just said she seemed like a bright,
               energetic young woman and she had certain
               interests and he made some suggestions to her
               and suggested where she ought to go for
               interviews. That's all I know about that.

               Q: Did you express any approval or disapproval
               of anything Mr. Jordan had done?

               MR BENNETT I object. I don't know what that
               means, Your Honor. That's awfully vague and
               ambiguous. Could you be ;more specific?

               MR. FISHER: Sure.

               Q: At the time you talked to Vernon Jordan
               about his conversation with Monica Lewinsky
               concerning her possible move to New York, did
               you express any approval or disapproval?

               A: I don't remember. I think he was just
               reporting on the meeting to me. There'd be no
               reason that I would have disapproved. I cants
               think of any reason I would have disapproved
               it. She was a young woman who'd worked in the
               White House and had gone to work in the
               Defense Department and was moving to New York.
               I would not have thought there was anything
               wrong with that, with us trying to help her.

               Q: Is it your testimony that you had nothing
               whatsoever to do with causing that
               conversation to take place between Monica
               Lewinsky and Vernon Jordan?

               MR BENNETT: I object. That, that misstates the
               testimony. MR. FISHER: I'm asking what his
               testimony...

               MR. BENNETT: Anything to do, I think he's
               testified, Your Honor. If he wants to ask more
               questions, that's all right, but -

               JUDGE WRIGHT: I will -- you might rephrase the
               question and ask whether he ever intended to
               facilitate the conversation or took any action
               to help Ms. Lewinsky gain access to Vernon
               Jordan for this purpose, or for any purpose.
               You might ask that. The President has
               testified on this matter that he doesn't think
               it would be improper if he had, so go ahead,
               you can ask.

               Q: Did you do anything, sir, to prompt this
               conversation to take place between Vernon
               Jordan and Monica Lewinsky?

               A: I can tell you what my memory is. My memory
               is that Vernon said something to me about her
               coming in, Betty had called and asked if he
               would see her and he said she would, he said
               he would, and then she called him and then he
               said something to me about it. I'm sure if he
               said something to me about it I said something
               positive about it. I wouldn't have said
               anything negative about it. I didn't have any
               negative knowledge. I mean there would be no
               reason for me to be negative about it. Vernon
               liked to help people. He was always trying to
               help people.

               Q: My question, though, is focused on the time
               before the conversation occurred, and the
               question is whether you did anything to cause
               the conversation to occur.

               A: I think in the mean -- I'm Dot sure how you
               mean the question. I think the way you mean
               the question, the answer to that is no, I've
               already testified. What my memory of this is,
               if you're asking did I set the meeting up, I
               do not believe that I did. I believe that
               Betty did that, and she may have mentionedm
               asked me. if I thought it was all right if she
               did it, and if she did ask me I would have
               said yes, and so if that happened, then I did
               something to cause the conversation to occur.
               If that's what you mean, yes. I didn't think
               there was anything wrong with it. It seemed
               like a natural thing to do to me. But I don't
               believe that I . actually was the
               precipitating force. I think that she and
               Betty were close, and I think Betty did it.
               That's my memory of it.

               Q: Have you ever had a conversation with
               Vernon Jordan in which Paula Jones was
               mentioned?

               A: I'm sure I have. I don't remember what it
               would have been, but I'm sure I have. I mean
               after all this time, I'm sure I have.

               MR. BRISTOW: Your Honor, I just think we
               should note for the record that it is now
               almost twelve-thirty, and to my knowledge this
               is the first moment in the deposition that the
               word "Paula Jones" has been mentioned.

               JUDGE WRIGHT: Are you suggesting we take a
               break?

               MR. BRISTOW: I think it's a good time for a
               break, but I'm also thinking of the fact that
               we do have some time constraints and -- but
               anyway, I just thought it was an appropriate
               thing to note.

               MR. BENNETT: Your Honor, I hope the sandwiches
               are there, but I'm happy to break now, but I'd
               like to get some guidance from the Court on
               something. If at the completion of, as he has
               apparently just completed Miss Lewinsky.

               MR. FISHER: No, I haven't, but go ahead.

               MR. BENNETT: Oh, I'm sorry, well, I'll wait
               until you finish with Miss Lcwinsky.

               MR. FISHER: I have just a couple of other
               things.

               MR. BENNETT: I can ask my generic question.
               Hypothetically, Your Honor, if I have
               affidavits of women that he's questioning the
               President about and Your Honor does not want
               me to emphasize that or even mention it for
               fear of the witness, when they are, when he is
               finished at the end of the day, may I read to
               the President certain relevant portions of
               those affidavits that we have and they have
               and ask the President if that's, as far as he
               knows, a true and accurate statement?

               JUDGE WRIGHT: You may, because this is that
               type of deposition.

               MR. BENNETT: Thank you.

               JUDGE WRIGHT: And I realize that you want to
               make your record because you're fearful about
               what might take place.

               MR. BENNETT: Thank you, Your Honor, thank you,
               Your Honor.

               JUDGE WRIGHT: Would you like to finish these
               questions now before we break?

               MR. FISHER: I have just a couple more on this
               particular subject.

               JUDGE WRIGHT: All right, all right, let's
               proceed then.

               Q: Mr. President, have you ever paid any money
               to Monica Lewinsky?

               A: No, sir.

               Q: Have you ever caused money to be paid to
               her?

               A: Absolutely not.

               Q: Have you ever caused a debt that she owed
               to some other person to be repaid?

               A: No, sir.

Linda Tripp's public statement

Issued from the courthouse steps on her last day of testimony.


STATEMENT BY LINDA TRIPP FOLLOWING HER TESTIMONY BEFORE THE GRAND  JURY THE
COURTHOUSE WASHINGTON, D.C. 
Federal News Service 
JULY 29, 1998, WEDNESDAY - 18:30 Eastern Time 


PHILIP COUGHTER (Spokesman for Linda Tripp's legal team): Good evening,
everyone. A great deal has happened since we first met here on June 30th
for Linda's initial day of testimony. To the men and women of the media,
through this lengthy process you've shown great professionalism, and for
the most part, admiral restraint. On behalf of Linda, her children, Zack,
Joe, and myself, I'd like to say how much we appreciate the many courtesies
that you have shown us. Thank you, folks.  We understand that there is some
interest in hearing from Linda today. As I've said on many occasions, she
has never enjoyed being in the limelight, and as such, she hopes you'll
understand that she would not be comfortable taking any of your questions
today. She has, however, agreed to make a few brief remarks. 

MS. TRIPP: Good afternoon. I'm not a public speaker. I'm going to have to
refer to my notes. Please bear with me. 

I've just completed my testimony before the federal grand jury. This has
been a lengthy process and as I'm sure you can imagine, a very difficult
one. While I am relieved that the testimony has come to an end, I'm glad to
have fulfilled my legal obligation to the grand jury by testifying
truthfully and completely. I hope -- I sincerely hope that all remaining
witnesses will do the same. 

I am encouraged that it appears from press reports that Monica has decided
to cooperate with the independent counsel. The facts will show that time
after time I urged her to tell the truth right up until the end.  I
understand that there has been a great deal of speculation about just who I
am and how I got here. Well, the answer is simple. I'm you. I'm just like
you. I'm an average American who found herself in a situation not of her
own making. I'm a suburban mom who was a military wife for 20 years, and a
faithful government employee for 18 years. I never, ever asked to be placed
in this position. 

Because I am just like you, I ask you to imagine how you would feel if
someone you thought was a friend urged you to commit a felony that could
jeopardize your job, potentially put you in jail, and endanger the
well-being of your children. Imagine how you would feel if your boss's
attorney called you a liar in front of the whole country, and imagine if
that boss was the president of the United States. Imagine how you would
feel if your employer illegally released your confidential records to the
media, then demoted you and cast you aside for daring to tell the truth.
Imagine how it would feel to see the pain in your children's eyes when they
hear a seemingly endless barrage of lies about their mother, a mother who
is not going out to defend herself.  As a ====>> result of simply trying to
earn a living, I became aware between 1993 ====>> and 1997 of actions by
high government officials that may have been ====>> against the law. For
that period of nearly five years, the things I ====>> witnessed concerning
several different subjects, made me increasingly ====>> fearful that this
information was dangerous, very dangerous to possess.  

On January 12th, 1998, the day I approached the Office of the Independent
Counsel, I decided that fear would no longer be my master. This
investigation has never been, quote, "just about sex", it has been about
telling the truth, the truth matters. For example, it matters that you know
now that I have testified to the fact that I had nothing -- let me repeat
-- nothing to do with preparing the so-called "talking points." Allegations
to the effect that I contributed to, or assisted in any way with the
creation of the talking points are as illogical as they are patently false.

  
I have been vilified through taking the path of truth. I've been maligned
by people who have chosen not to tell the truth and who know that they are
not telling the truth. That's a pretty frightening thing. To cast me in the
role of the villain they have enlisted legions of paid prevaricators. Not
surprisingly, many in the entertainment industry have chosen to ridicule me
as well, going so far as to even make fun of my appearance in a manner so
mean and so cruel that I pray none of you is ever subjected to it. 

Despite all of that, I bear no malice toward anyone in this case. I have
never had any political agenda. I still don't. I have been honored to serve
presidents of both parties.  

I want to say a word about the people who have supported me throughout this
ordeal. I don't believe they're Washington insiders, I don't think that
they're the politically connected, but they have made a noticeable effort
to have their voice heard and to support me and my family. It has meant a
great deal to us. So for all of that, I thank each and every one of them. 
I'd also like to take this opportunity to thank the men standing with me
today for their unfailing support and superb counsel -- Anthony Zaccagnini,
Joe Murtha, and Philip Coughter.  

I certainly could not have gotten through this without the love and support
of my children, Ryan and Allyson (sp), who are here with me today, and a
very strong extended family.  

I believe in our country. As I said, I'm no different than any of you. I
believe you have the right to tell the truth under oath and I believe you
have the right to do so without fear of retribution or worse. I hope that
when all the facts are revealed you'll understand that it is a right all of
us should be fighting for. 

Thank you. 
 




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